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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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hello and welcome to the skeptic zone

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episode number 298 for the sixth of July

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2014 Richardson's here with you from the

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San Francisco Bay Area just putting my

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feet up or putting my feet down actually

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in doing a lot of walking around the Bay

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Area well I get ready for the amazing

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meeting which starts in a oh just a few

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days in Las Vegas more about that more

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about that in the coming weeks where

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i'll be sure to be bringing you many

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interviews with some of the interesting

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skeptics and other people that are go to

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the amazing meeting might even get a

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interview with james randi himself and

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speaking of james randi i talked about

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james randi a little later on in the

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show dude this and sort of

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higgledy-piggledy order at the end of

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this wing show at the end of this week's

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show there's a radio interview with me i

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was here in the san francisco area sort

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of channel surfing on my internet radio

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where I happened to hear one of the

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Sydney announcers talking about John

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Edward and talking with the dead I gave

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him a call and Dirk well for the next 20

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minutes or so he interviewed me about

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all sorts of things and we took some

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talk back some call back that's coming

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up at the end of this week's show me on

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australian radio with presenter Luke

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boner what else is coming up in this

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week's show well we've got a week in

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science of course from the Royal

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Institution of Australia as we always do

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we have a guest reporter Kevin Davies

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from Canberra who did a wonderful job in

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helping put together the Australian

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skeptics national convention last year

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Kevin's going to be talking to Kylie

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Science about helping to promote women

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in science promoting women in science

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coming up somewhere in the middle of

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this week's episode but we're going to

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kick off we're going to start with

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evidence please with Joe alabaster

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what's in your food that's what I want

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to know what's in your food food

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additives hmm what's going on with food

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additives are they good for you are they

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bad for you what does the science say

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evidence please with Joe alabaster now I

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tried some interesting food a few days

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ago down in

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downtown San Francisco there's a new

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store opened i think it's called pepper

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palace chemical us it's a talk about a

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moth to the flame it's a whole store

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devoted to hot chili sauces my goodness

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couldn't resist I had a look tried a few

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woof I tried their flashbang sauce and

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they don't call it flash bang for

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nothing I've had some hot sauces in my

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times folks Dave's insanity sauce some

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of you might know that it's been a long

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time favorite but this stuff was like

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nothing I'd never tried before certainly

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the hottest hot sauce I've ever tasted

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San Francisco and have that famous sacks

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and China in the sourdough bowl so more

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from me at the end of the show about the

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vaccination chronicles documentary and

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the amazing meeting but right now it's

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fridge not for chili sauce but for some

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nice harm calming soothing vanilla

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yogurt which does wonders after you've

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what we want is some more evidence

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hello this is Joe alabaster

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here in Australia food authorities have

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deemed that common allergens such as

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ingredient lists clearly in order to

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presence and avoid them as they need to

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royal jelly is another allergen which

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while uncommon must be noted on labels

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as an ingredient due to the seriousness

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of allergic reactions gluten and

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understood ingredients of potential

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concern to people with medical

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sensitivities Australia also has a list

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of five ingredients which must be noted

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on a separate advisory and warning

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statement often found in a large

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as contains phenylalanine added caffeine

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caffeine gharana also contains caffeine

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egg and milk products which are labeled

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as unpasteurized today I'd like to take

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a look at these ingredients whether we

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should be concerned by their presence in

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the products that we eat and drink and

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why it is that we label them of the

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substances which require mandatory

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advisory warning statements here in

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Australia none is surrounded by as much

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controversy and miss informed concern as

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the artificial sweetener aspartame it

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was first synthesized in 1965 and sought

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the patent expired in 1992 many claims

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have been made over the years about the

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dangers of aspartame and as a result it

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is one of the most highly scrutinized

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food additives the subject of numerous

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animal studies clinical and

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epidemiological research as well as

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post-marketing surveillance and yet the

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ant is bottom claims don't go away

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result is mock haulers website in which

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he claims that aspartame causes

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everything from slurred speech to

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numbness to depression

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and chronic illnesses such as mental

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retardation birth defects lymphoma

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sclerosis can be triggered or worsened

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by the ingestion of aspartame yet

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another case of anything syndrome the

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aspartame controversy has its dubbed has

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been around since it was first approved

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for human consumption by the FDA fueled

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by dodgy media reports the most famous

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being US 60 minutes episode in which it

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was suggested that there was a causal

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link between brain tumors in this bottom

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no such link has ever been found an

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unsourced hoax email written by a

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non-existent Nancy Michael which claims

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a conspiracy between Monsanto in the FDA

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and a seemingly endless run of anti

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esparto memes spread via social media

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public pressure driven by fear and

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misinformation has had an effect on the

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market several supermarket chains

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worldwide have removed aspartame from

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their own brand products likewise

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concerns about aspartame have driven

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fruit authorities worldwide to conduct

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studies more studies and revaluations of

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studies on the safety of a spot em

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alongside msg aspartame is one of the

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world's most studied food additives the

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results esparto imposes no toxicity

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concerns for consumers at current levels

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of exposure FDA officials have described

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aspartame as quote one of the most

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thoroughly tested and studied food

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additives the agency has ever approved

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to end quote and it's safety as quote

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clear-cut end quote so what has

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aspartame earned a spot on the advisory

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and warning statements list while

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aspartame presents no health concerns

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for the vast majority of consumers there

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is a medical condition which requires an

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awareness of its presence the genetic

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disorder phenylketonuria or PKU occurs

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when two mutated copies of the PK Eugene

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fail to produce the enzyme which

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metabolizes the amino acid phenylalanine

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a component of aspartame PKU is a

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serious condition and in many countries

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it is screened for with a hill prick

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test at birth in Australia the incidence

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but left undetected and untreated excess

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blood and cause brain damage an infant

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function mood disorders irregular motor

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function microcephaly and behavioral

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issues as such people diagnosed with PKU

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must be carefully monitored and

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diligently follow a phenylalanine

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restricted diet of supplementing with a

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medical formula containing amino acids

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health of people with PKU and their

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carers that they be aware of any

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phenylalanine contained within foods and

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beverages consumed hence the labeling of

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aspartame and other substance on the

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advisory and warning statements list is

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caffeine be it added to Cola or in the

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form of gharana the seeds of which

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contain around twice the concentration

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of caffeine as coffee beans caffeine is

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chocolate products and believe it or not

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decaf coffee while caffeine isn't

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necessarily bad in and of itself people

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may wish to pay attention to how much

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they're consuming caffeine is a

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stimulant which act from the brain and

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nervous system and it is possible to

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develop caffeine dependency withdrawal

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sensitivity caffeine can interfere with

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sleep cause anxiety and in excessive

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doses palpitations and trembling

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pregnant women should discuss their

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caffeine intake with their doctor and

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while there are no professional

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guidelines regarding children's caffeine

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intake parents should be aware that it

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can cause symptoms such as irritability

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sleeplessness and stomach upset the

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labeling of caffeine allows us to

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monitor our intake as we see fit perhaps

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I should declare a potential invested

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interest here much caffeine has gone

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into the writing of this report I

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haven't yet been offered a sponsorship

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deal from a coffee company but I suspect

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it's only a matter of time next Quinn

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teen Queenan is the substance with a

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fascinating history it has fever

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reducing analgesic anti-inflammatory and

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anti-material properties and occurs

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bark of the chin china tree cinchona

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in Peru and Bolivia before being brought

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to Europe in the 17th century and

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remained a primary anti-malarial drug of

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choice until the 1940s queen ian has a

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distinct bitter flavor most recognizable

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in tonic water which was indeed

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developed as a tonic intended for use as

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a prophylactic against malaria in the

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early 1800s a British officer in

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colonial India came up with the idea of

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adding gin tonic water in an effort to

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make the tonic water more palatable

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queen Ian content than the original

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sweeteners indeed the FDA in the USA

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chronic water to 83 milligrams per liter

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therapeutic doses are in the range of

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five hundred to a thousand milligrams

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Quinn in itself is often synthesized

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these days but there are still natural

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Queen ian products which have precisely

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the same chemical make up the

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synthesized core name on the market in

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the past quinn ian was listed on the

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australian pharmaceutical Benefits

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Scheme as a medication for reducing the

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severity and frequency of nighttime leg

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cramps this recommendation was revoked

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in 2004 due to its efficacy being

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marginal at best an unfavorable harm

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benefit profile Quinn n is still

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prescribed as part of some anti-malarial

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treatments the use for therapeutic doses

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of queen anne is associated with many

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risks however and patients should be

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monitored carefully for signs and

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symptoms of adverse events consumer

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products containing very low amounts of

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quinn ian carey few risks when used as a

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mixer for alcoholic beverages the

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alcohol is likely of greater concern

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however there are people with medically

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diagnosed Queen Ian sensitivities who

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should avoid or restrict queen in intake

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as per their doctor's advice Queen Anne

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should also be avoided by people

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diagnosed with the metabolic disorder

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glucose-6-phosphate dehydrogenase

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deficiency which effects red blood cell

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metabolism finally on the Obey Zuri and

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warning statements list

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our unpasteurized egg and milk products

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the sale of raw milk from cows for human

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consumption is illegal in Australia but

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it can still be sold if labeled as a

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beauty product and there are kasam

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consumers out there who are willing to

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seek it out under the Miss help belief

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the pasteurization of milk renders it

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less healthy to consume quite the

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opposite strew it is however possible to

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purchase raw goat's milk for human

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consumption some cheeses made with

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unpasteurized cow's milk have been

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approved for production by Food

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following risk assessment of course roar

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eggs and the norm on our shelves though

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pasteurized egg products for cleaning

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purposes can be found in some

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supermarket dairy cabinets unpasteurized

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egg and milk run a higher risk of

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contamination with pathogens Salmonella

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can be present in uncooked eggs

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salmonella Campylobacter jejuni Listeria

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and E coli in raw milk and soft cheeses

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toxoplasmosis the cat poo pathogen in

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raw goat's milk people who choose to

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consume unpasteurized dairy and eggs

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should be aware of the risk of serious

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poisoning that comes with their decision

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particularly if they are elderly in any

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way infirm or planning on giving such

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foods to children under their care none

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of these groups of people are able to

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handle the resulting young as well

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guidelines recommend the pregnant women

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should take special care to avoid

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consuming unpasteurized egg and milk

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products a salmonella listeria and

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toxoplasmosis can all have detrimental

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effects on pregnancies food labeling is

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a tricky topic to navigate without

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understanding the context by which it is

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required consumers can experience undue

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alarm due to a mandated warning that a

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product contains a spot i'm equally we

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can be misled by claims placed on

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products by manufacturers such as

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contains no msg natural light or organic

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perhaps the best we can do is to improve

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our understanding of the risks benefits

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and dodgy claims made about varying

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ingredients and food additives I hope

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that this report has been informative if

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you have any concerns about the

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ingredients that I've mentioned have a

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chat with your GP or a qualified

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hello and Allah needle on solo scoffs of

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dip moment when Tyrion at low so now to

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skeptics on for reading stop and katie

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schneider moving from RC Connor we may

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welcome to a weakened science from our

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oz bringing you the science you need to

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know our obsession with cake is never

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ending but did you know how much science

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is involved in every piece firstly let's

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look at the role of edge ingredients in

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making your piece of cake lice and

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fluffy starting with sugar when you

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cream butter and sugar together air gets

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trapped on the rough surface of the

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sugar crystals giving you a foamy batter

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the fat in the busser coats these air

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bubbles helping to hold them in the

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mixture however when they heat up these

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bubbles pop leave me with a flat and

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dense cake but that's where eggs come in

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the proteins also coat these air bubbles

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when these proteins are heated they

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Harden stopping the bubble from popping

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and trapping the air inside the cake

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baking powder is the last ingredients in

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making your cake lisen fluffy it's as a

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mixture of bicarbonate of soda and cream

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of tartar an alkali in an acid which

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react with heat and water to form carbon

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dioxide this helps expand those air

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bubbles adding yet another level of

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fluffiness

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so what role does flower have them well

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flower proteins combine to form gluten

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which forms a stretchy web structure

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through the cake as the air bubbles are

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expanding the gluten stretches to

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contain them when the gluten reaches

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about 80 degrees it hardens preventing

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the cake from collapsing inwards and

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maintaining its expanded shape leaving

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you with a light fluffy cake the second

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role of flowers to provide starch this

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helps the egg proteins stay strong and

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trap those air bubbles inside and form

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the final texture of the cake and now

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for fast facts about cakes cakes as we

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know them probably only came about in

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the 18th or 19th century with the advent

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of baking powders replacing yeast as the

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leavening agent some people add Sultan's

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cakes salt in sweet what but it does

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help strengthen that gluten structure

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despite saying that gluten is vital for

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creating the structure of the cake too

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much gluten can result in a heavy

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texture the amount of butter helps

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control that reaction and sugar also

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helps the caramelization reaction called

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my yard reaction giving that golden

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surface on top that's it for this week

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in science for more information on the

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science of baking sink your sweet tooth

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into the RLS website RI aus org dot a

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you follow us on twitter at arias and

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like us on facebook i'm ben lewis and

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hi this is Tim Farley you probably know

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me from what's the harm net a catalog of

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the real world harm caused by lack of

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critical thinking but that's not my only

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project i present at skeptic events I

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post a daily skeptic history fact on

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Twitter and Facebook and I blog about

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using new techniques on the internet to

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advance skepticism come over to skep

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tools com and check out my latest ideas

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but first enjoy the rest of the skeptic

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well I am here today with Kylie Walker

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from the australian academy of science

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hello Kylie hello how are you today I'm

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very well thank you now can you tell me

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what is the Australian Academy of

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Science the australian academy of

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science the Fellowship of Australia's

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most eminent research scientists it's

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based on the Royal Society of London

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which is the oldest scientific Academy

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in the world and essentially we

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represent the scientists who may have

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made significant contributions to the

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body of knowledge we spend a lot of time

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advocating for science and we also

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educate people about science at all

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levels and what is your role I am the

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director of communications and outreach

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here at the academy so I have

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responsibility for media publications

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events and fundraising now every year

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the Academy runs many events for

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National Science Week and I understand

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that you are involved in a very special

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event what is this event well this year

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we decided to do something a little bit

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different and in fact our our events now

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going to be mainly online we're running

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what we're calling the women of science

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Wikibon and this is because we noticed

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that there were many fewer women

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scientists represented on Wikipedia than

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there are men scientists represented on

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Wikipedia so we're setting out

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essentially to change that and to raise

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the profile of Australian women

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scientists on Wikipedia this is a really

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really excellent event why do you think

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this has happened the lack of women

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scientists on wikipedia we noticed it

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actually first when we started looking

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for our own female fellows on Wikipedia

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and we realized so that a significant

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proportion of them don't appear there at

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all or they appear there with less than

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100 words or so on their profiles so it

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really just stubs and I think that this

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has happened because well traditionally

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because there are more senior male

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scientists still then there are female

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scientists and that's a historical

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artifact which we are working very hard

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to change we don't have as much of a

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cultural understanding of the

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contribution of women

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science through the ages so we've all

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heard of you know Albert Einstein we've

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all heard of Newton and we've all heard

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of probably of Frank Fenner to sike naw

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straight an example but ask people to

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talk about women scientists and you

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might get a Marie Curie you might add an

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absolute push gettin Elizabeth Blackburn

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is our most recent Nobel laureate but

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their knowledge just isn't there is it

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possible for members of The Skeptical

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community to get involved with your

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event and if so how oh absolutely we

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would like anybody and everybody to get

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involved we're very welcoming to all

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comers so it's very easy to get involved

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you go to our website which is science

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or a you and they'll be a clear link to

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the women of science Wikipedia page and

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we ask you to register there we have the

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opportunity for 35 people to come and

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participate in the event in person at

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the shine dome here in Canberra and

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we'll have a bit of fun with that

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because we're going to invite some

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senior women Australian scientists to

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come in through the day and have a chat

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to participants there will also be doing

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tours through our archives and looking

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at some of our dusty relics if you don't

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happen to make it to that in-person

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event if you can't make it to that

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in-person event then you're very welcome

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to also participate online and again you

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can just sign up via our website and

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when is the event going to be launched

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so we're actually launching it next week

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but we're asking people to do the

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editing in a 24-hour period on the

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fourteenth of August that's just a few

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days before the beginning of National

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Science Week this year well thank you so

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much for this interview Kylie this is

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truly a worthy course and I wish you the

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best of success the details of this

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event will be listed on the skeptic zone

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website thank you very much gear time

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the skeptic magazine the journal from

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Australian skeptics subscribe online to

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557
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teeruk lock we were talking about John

558
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:06,930
Edwards um and peter fitzsimons scathing

559
00:24:12,470 --> 00:24:08,850
attack on him call him a fraud against

560
00:24:14,690 --> 00:24:12,480
Sunni and the thing is I think it was a

561
00:24:17,630 --> 00:24:14,700
very very famous skeptic called James

562
00:24:18,980 --> 00:24:17,640
Randi um and he's a man I have a lot of

563
00:24:20,780 --> 00:24:18,990
time for because he's a very polite

564
00:24:23,150 --> 00:24:20,790
blogger isn't it American he was a he

565
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:23,160
was made famous many many years ago on

566
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:25,410
the Don Lane show when he was trying to

567
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:28,170
explain and by the way he was invited on

568
00:24:33,470 --> 00:24:30,450
to the Don Lane show I thought it was

569
00:24:35,660 --> 00:24:33,480
treated pretty badly by Don um he was

570
00:24:37,670 --> 00:24:35,670
invited onto the show because he there

571
00:24:40,010 --> 00:24:37,680
was a skip I've had me a psychic that

572
00:24:41,930 --> 00:24:40,020
used to be a regular on the Don line

573
00:24:43,460 --> 00:24:41,940
show called Doris Stokes she was a

574
00:24:45,140 --> 00:24:43,470
lovely old woman and but she used to

575
00:24:46,460 --> 00:24:45,150
claim that she picked up the vibes of

576
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:46,470
dead people and could speak to dead

577
00:24:51,020 --> 00:24:48,810
people and then there was you regular

578
00:24:53,690 --> 00:24:51,030
who claimed to be able to bend spoons

579
00:24:55,460 --> 00:24:53,700
with just thought power and basically

580
00:24:57,350 --> 00:24:55,470
what James Randi was saying you saying

581
00:25:00,080 --> 00:24:57,360
look there was a way there was a way to

582
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:00,090
do this without being psychic i can use

583
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:01,650
science i can show you that it's it's an

584
00:25:08,360 --> 00:25:05,250
illusion and my Don Lane who was fond of

585
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:08,370
Doris Stokes told him the piss off at

586
00:25:13,100 --> 00:25:11,730
whatever his words he smashed the glass

587
00:25:15,710 --> 00:25:13,110
of water that was on the coffee table

588
00:25:17,210 --> 00:25:15,720
there was quite a scene and in fact i

589
00:25:19,790 --> 00:25:17,220
think this i think you can see it on

590
00:25:23,570 --> 00:25:19,800
youtube Don Lane got a future Don lane

591
00:25:25,700 --> 00:25:23,580
James Randi but anyway I try and keep an

592
00:25:27,020 --> 00:25:25,710
open mind on most things but I find it

593
00:25:29,250 --> 00:25:27,030
very hard to believe that someone can

594
00:25:30,270 --> 00:25:29,260
talk to a dead person but I'm sure

595
00:25:32,250 --> 00:25:30,280
there are plenty of listeners who have

596
00:25:33,630 --> 00:25:32,260
got experiences where they believe it's

597
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:33,640
actually happened but this john edwards

598
00:25:37,530 --> 00:25:35,650
and benefit simons he's been called the

599
00:25:40,850 --> 00:25:37,540
fraud by many many people and you've got

600
00:25:43,350 --> 00:25:40,860
to ask yourself why doesn't he sue I

601
00:25:45,900 --> 00:25:43,360
mean isn't that a defamatory thing to

602
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:45,910
say calling some of your fraud and if we

603
00:25:50,460 --> 00:25:47,770
have departments of Fair Trading here in

604
00:25:52,950 --> 00:25:50,470
Australia if somebody has a product and

605
00:25:56,820 --> 00:25:52,960
they make a claim if somebody makes a

606
00:25:58,980 --> 00:25:56,830
claim and they take money and it can't

607
00:26:00,980 --> 00:25:58,990
be proven that it's that it's right or

608
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:00,990
not or if the product is faulty

609
00:26:08,100 --> 00:26:04,330
Department of Fair Trading and Consumer

610
00:26:09,690 --> 00:26:08,110
Affairs step in and benefit silences why

611
00:26:11,190 --> 00:26:09,700
haven't they with this John Edwards

612
00:26:13,590 --> 00:26:11,200
who's coming to Australia November

613
00:26:15,930 --> 00:26:13,600
Richard Saunders is with the Australian

614
00:26:18,660 --> 00:26:15,940
skeptics organization he's at a skeptics

615
00:26:20,820 --> 00:26:18,670
conference in San Francisco believe it

616
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:20,830
or not and he was listening to us while

617
00:26:24,120 --> 00:26:21,970
he was having his breakfast it's nine

618
00:26:26,220 --> 00:26:24,130
o'clock in the morning and he's given us

619
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:26,230
a ring and I'm glad he has Richard

620
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:28,690
Saunders good morning and welcome to new

621
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:31,210
day australia good morning from San

622
00:26:35,730 --> 00:26:33,610
Francisco that's right oh of course I

623
00:26:37,050 --> 00:26:35,740
tuna Julie my work no matter where I am

624
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:37,060
in the world yeah I just wish you had a

625
00:26:44,220 --> 00:26:39,970
survey book then oh well there you go

626
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:44,230
there you go ok Richard I want to give

627
00:26:48,900 --> 00:26:45,850
you the time you deserve here I gotta

628
00:26:50,940 --> 00:26:48,910
say that I am a bit like you I god I

629
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:50,950
don't believe in what I can't see them

630
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:52,810
what I can't touch and there are plenty

631
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:56,050
of magicians out there and being people

632
00:27:00,840 --> 00:26:57,490
claiming to be able to talk to people

633
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:00,850
who have passed away as been around for

634
00:27:05,430 --> 00:27:02,650
thousands of years you know gypsies with

635
00:27:07,350 --> 00:27:05,440
crystal balls etc etc but this John

636
00:27:10,020 --> 00:27:07,360
Edwards takes a lot of money from people

637
00:27:11,390 --> 00:27:10,030
and benefits Simon's in I don't know did

638
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:11,400
you see his column last Sunday I

639
00:27:17,550 --> 00:27:13,930
certainly did it was quote mm it was

640
00:27:19,530 --> 00:27:17,560
quite striking now we normally wouldn't

641
00:27:24,330 --> 00:27:19,540
go so far as to run around calling

642
00:27:27,090 --> 00:27:24,340
people Ford's because one it in a way it

643
00:27:30,060 --> 00:27:27,100
sort of gives them more oxygen and the

644
00:27:33,090 --> 00:27:30,070
reason he John Edward doesn't run around

645
00:27:34,980 --> 00:27:33,100
suing people like peter fitzsimons it's

646
00:27:37,290 --> 00:27:34,990
open why would he happen there's no

647
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:37,300
point john edward has a very large and

648
00:27:42,630 --> 00:27:40,210
loyal band of followers believers out

649
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:42,640
there and the damage

650
00:27:47,550 --> 00:27:44,410
p the fixins could do the John Edwards

651
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:47,560
hardly comes up on the radar in fact it

652
00:27:52,590 --> 00:27:50,050
feeds the believers to see I'll look and

653
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:52,600
now this horrible man's saying these

654
00:27:56,420 --> 00:27:54,250
terrible things about our beloved John

655
00:27:59,310 --> 00:27:56,430
it would I'm going to see him even more

656
00:28:00,930 --> 00:27:59,320
it's an interesting from a psychological

657
00:28:03,450 --> 00:28:00,940
point of view it's it's an interesting

658
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:03,460
sort of self recall and self-sealing

659
00:28:08,340 --> 00:28:06,610
related some if an adventure in

660
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:08,350
psychology when you look at these people

661
00:28:13,140 --> 00:28:09,850
who claim to talk with it did and their

662
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:13,150
followers I think um yeah I am I don't

663
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:14,890
believe in and I've seen John Edward is

664
00:28:20,130 --> 00:28:17,530
it a little red woods it's Edward his

665
00:28:21,810 --> 00:28:20,140
name is John Edward McGee I guess

666
00:28:23,430 --> 00:28:21,820
dropped off he just dropped off McGee

667
00:28:26,130 --> 00:28:23,440
that's fine you can do he could be can

668
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:26,140
call himself from whatever he like well

669
00:28:30,450 --> 00:28:27,730
I guess I guess somebody I guess

670
00:28:31,740 --> 00:28:30,460
somebody packing stadiums taking money

671
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:31,750
and claiming to talk to the dead and

672
00:28:36,660 --> 00:28:33,730
calling themselves Mecca doesn't really

673
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:36,670
have the same impetus doesn't well you

674
00:28:41,730 --> 00:28:39,850
know what it wouldn't matter if people

675
00:28:43,950 --> 00:28:41,740
weren't people believe in this sort of

676
00:28:45,780 --> 00:28:43,960
thing we haven't there's an old joke

677
00:28:47,190 --> 00:28:45,790
saying once people believe in the sort

678
00:28:49,770 --> 00:28:47,200
of thing then the psychic can stand up

679
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:49,780
on me on the stage and just read letters

680
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:51,490
in the alphabet which is what a lot of

681
00:28:58,560 --> 00:28:56,890
them do strangely enough i've seen many

682
00:29:01,470 --> 00:28:58,570
of these state shows over the years and

683
00:29:03,780 --> 00:29:01,480
have been universally core but to the

684
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:03,790
believer they read everything into it

685
00:29:06,690 --> 00:29:05,410
they possibly can and their mind will

686
00:29:08,700 --> 00:29:06,700
make lots of connections and they'll

687
00:29:10,710 --> 00:29:08,710
come away and it's interesting you're

688
00:29:13,740 --> 00:29:10,720
talking about the removing deliver

689
00:29:16,350 --> 00:29:13,750
faithful drugs demanding man that was

690
00:29:19,470 --> 00:29:16,360
based on a book written by james randi

691
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:19,480
called the faith healers oh really yeah

692
00:29:24,390 --> 00:29:22,450
it's an incredible book and goes into

693
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:24,400
all the faith healers at james randi

694
00:29:29,670 --> 00:29:25,810
exposed over the years and they're

695
00:29:31,590 --> 00:29:29,680
terrible dirty dirty horrible tricks to

696
00:29:34,380 --> 00:29:31,600
calm people out of their money steve

697
00:29:36,990 --> 00:29:34,390
martin read that book and sort of based

698
00:29:40,590 --> 00:29:37,000
a movie around it ah yes but in the

699
00:29:42,210 --> 00:29:40,600
movie it does rain yeah and you're left

700
00:29:43,530 --> 00:29:42,220
wondering yeah you have any yeah when he

701
00:29:47,100 --> 00:29:43,540
did you know what he disappears he gets

702
00:29:51,990 --> 00:29:47,110
to lift in the truck Hollywood porous it

703
00:29:54,500 --> 00:29:52,000
didn't rain it did right um I after

704
00:29:56,430 --> 00:29:54,510
talking about John Edward last week

705
00:29:58,350 --> 00:29:56,440
because he was doing the round

706
00:30:03,030 --> 00:29:58,360
of all the radio stations and he came to

707
00:30:04,410 --> 00:30:03,040
this one and you know I suppose there's

708
00:30:06,270 --> 00:30:04,420
a lot of interest out there so he makes

709
00:30:09,090 --> 00:30:06,280
an interesting radio interview and I

710
00:30:11,850 --> 00:30:09,100
voiced my skepticism on the radio and a

711
00:30:13,620 --> 00:30:11,860
colleague of mine on Canberra's to CC

712
00:30:15,900 --> 00:30:13,630
rang me and he said may I we were

713
00:30:17,820 --> 00:30:15,910
listening in to you and he said would

714
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:17,830
you like to meet a psychic that I know

715
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:19,690
of that either who I am convinced his

716
00:30:23,070 --> 00:30:21,130
fair dinkum and the bloke who spoke to

717
00:30:24,750 --> 00:30:23,080
me is a skeptic as well well I had a

718
00:30:27,590 --> 00:30:24,760
phone conversation with this lady and

719
00:30:30,570 --> 00:30:27,600
I've got to be honest with you Richard I

720
00:30:33,810 --> 00:30:30,580
kept my cards very very close to my

721
00:30:35,460 --> 00:30:33,820
chest she knew from the out from the

722
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:35,470
onset of our phone conversation I was

723
00:30:39,570 --> 00:30:37,450
skeptical but she said a couple of

724
00:30:42,030 --> 00:30:39,580
things that no one would have known and

725
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:42,040
she was right on the money it was it was

726
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:44,530
quite spooky did you happen to record it

727
00:30:50,820 --> 00:30:47,770
no I wish I had ah I wish you did too

728
00:30:52,710 --> 00:30:50,830
because and this is no please don't take

729
00:30:55,830 --> 00:30:52,720
this the wrong way this applies

730
00:30:58,740 --> 00:30:55,840
universally to just about every human I

731
00:31:01,650 --> 00:30:58,750
have ever met people cannot properly

732
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:01,660
remember a psychic reading they'll come

733
00:31:06,690 --> 00:31:04,450
away and their memory will be embellish

734
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:06,700
it will be altered every time you call

735
00:31:12,690 --> 00:31:09,130
our the one thing that she said I

736
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:12,700
remember like as if I had recorded it

737
00:31:17,340 --> 00:31:15,730
when my father passed away sixteen year

738
00:31:19,620 --> 00:31:17,350
I hadn't told anyone this when he passed

739
00:31:21,830 --> 00:31:19,630
away 16 years ago there were three

740
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:21,840
speakers delivering eulogies I was one

741
00:31:27,090 --> 00:31:24,730
dad's oldest and dearest friend that him

742
00:31:28,860 --> 00:31:27,100
that he knew from the Army 1945 was

743
00:31:30,990 --> 00:31:28,870
another one and there's a young boy from

744
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:31,000
dad's office that had that had mentored

745
00:31:37,410 --> 00:31:34,690
me my mother unbeknownst to me or anyone

746
00:31:39,330 --> 00:31:37,420
she went to the young boy who delivered

747
00:31:41,250 --> 00:31:39,340
the third eulogy and said look I've got

748
00:31:44,370 --> 00:31:41,260
Brian's watch here I thought you might

749
00:31:46,860 --> 00:31:44,380
like it and he rang me many years later

750
00:31:49,260 --> 00:31:46,870
it was about four years later he rang me

751
00:31:50,340 --> 00:31:49,270
at mark was his name and he said look

752
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:50,350
Luke I don't know well you know this

753
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:51,850
your mum gave me your dad's watch I said

754
00:31:55,380 --> 00:31:53,410
no I had no idea and he said look I feel

755
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:55,390
guilty having it because it means not it

756
00:31:58,650 --> 00:31:57,250
mate doesn't mean anything to me it may

757
00:32:01,380 --> 00:31:58,660
mean something to you and I said well I

758
00:32:03,540 --> 00:32:01,390
remember it very very well and he used

759
00:32:05,610 --> 00:32:03,550
to keep it in a little cast-iron dish in

760
00:32:07,140 --> 00:32:05,620
the shape of a fish he used to keep his

761
00:32:09,330 --> 00:32:07,150
change and he's watched it was next to

762
00:32:10,259 --> 00:32:09,340
his bedside table I have that ditch and

763
00:32:12,539 --> 00:32:10,269
I keep my change

764
00:32:15,029 --> 00:32:12,549
that dish but he said look I feel guilty

765
00:32:17,070 --> 00:32:15,039
about having this watch he said I'd like

766
00:32:18,299 --> 00:32:17,080
to give it back to you because it means

767
00:32:19,529 --> 00:32:18,309
nothing to match I think it should be

768
00:32:21,269 --> 00:32:19,539
with you and I said thank you Mac that's

769
00:32:23,009 --> 00:32:21,279
very very good well we never caught up

770
00:32:25,169 --> 00:32:23,019
he never delivered it and that was about

771
00:32:27,930 --> 00:32:25,179
four years ago but I hadn't told anyone

772
00:32:30,239 --> 00:32:27,940
that story Richard hmm the last thing

773
00:32:33,839 --> 00:32:30,249
the last thing this this lady said to me

774
00:32:35,789 --> 00:32:33,849
she said I'll look before you go I don't

775
00:32:37,379 --> 00:32:35,799
know if this means anything to you but

776
00:32:41,940 --> 00:32:37,389
your father wants you to have that watch

777
00:32:45,509 --> 00:32:41,950
ah alright so that that's probably that

778
00:32:49,109 --> 00:32:45,519
was pretty good that was well that was

779
00:32:53,699 --> 00:32:49,119
but you've you've got a big story about

780
00:32:55,739 --> 00:32:53,709
the watch now if you didn't happen then

781
00:32:58,529 --> 00:32:55,749
you wouldn't even remember she said that

782
00:33:02,219 --> 00:32:58,539
she said something that happened to hit

783
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:02,229
home now if she says that every other

784
00:33:06,869 --> 00:33:04,690
time she talks to somebody every now and

785
00:33:09,180 --> 00:33:06,879
then she's going to get an amazing thing

786
00:33:10,589 --> 00:33:09,190
with somebody a family story with a

787
00:33:12,299 --> 00:33:10,599
watch but the important thing to

788
00:33:14,159 --> 00:33:12,309
remember is she didn't tell you the

789
00:33:18,289 --> 00:33:14,169
story you just told me in the listeners

790
00:33:22,079 --> 00:33:18,299
she simply mentioned the watch and you

791
00:33:23,999 --> 00:33:22,089
put all the rest of the the backstory on

792
00:33:26,449 --> 00:33:24,009
to it and made it his home personally

793
00:33:29,519 --> 00:33:26,459
you can see how I was impressed

794
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:29,529
absolutely but it might if something

795
00:33:33,239 --> 00:33:31,570
simply happen to me too i would have

796
00:33:36,989 --> 00:33:33,249
been interesting for me to hear that too

797
00:33:39,779 --> 00:33:36,999
but remember if you didn't have a watch

798
00:33:42,029 --> 00:33:39,789
story and she said oh I need to mention

799
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:42,039
to watch you might have thought and I

800
00:33:45,060 --> 00:33:43,570
can't think of a work story and then you

801
00:33:48,060 --> 00:33:45,070
probably wouldn't even remember she said

802
00:33:49,979 --> 00:33:48,070
that later on oh it but it was the big

803
00:33:51,539 --> 00:33:49,989
ending she said look before you go last

804
00:33:55,169 --> 00:33:51,549
thing I've got to tell you this like it

805
00:33:57,269 --> 00:33:55,179
was it was like yeah and I know and I

806
00:33:58,440 --> 00:33:57,279
know how our powerful could be she could

807
00:33:59,909 --> 00:33:58,450
have mentioned that earlier on has

808
00:34:02,599 --> 00:33:59,919
happened to be at the end but well

809
00:34:06,259 --> 00:34:02,609
that's interesting it was her punch line

810
00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:06,269
well here's the thing I sincerely I

811
00:34:10,649 --> 00:34:08,169
obviously being the president of a

812
00:34:13,260 --> 00:34:10,659
science sceptics I sincerely doubt this

813
00:34:15,839 --> 00:34:13,270
woman has a magical connection with dead

814
00:34:17,399 --> 00:34:15,849
people dead people are dead they don't

815
00:34:18,539 --> 00:34:17,409
tend to say very much but there is a

816
00:34:20,339 --> 00:34:18,549
spirit but a lot of people believe

817
00:34:22,799 --> 00:34:20,349
there's a spirit this is richard can you

818
00:34:24,210 --> 00:34:22,809
hang on yeah because you know how

819
00:34:26,879 --> 00:34:24,220
commercial radio works

820
00:34:28,409 --> 00:34:26,889
whoo I'm gonna pay some bills can we

821
00:34:29,970 --> 00:34:28,419
talk on the other side this break we can

822
00:34:31,589 --> 00:34:29,980
stay right Richard Saunders has phoned

823
00:34:33,930 --> 00:34:31,599
me from San Francisco he's listening

824
00:34:35,970 --> 00:34:33,940
online he's with the Australian skeptics

825
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:35,980
Association and we'll come back and talk

826
00:34:40,230 --> 00:34:37,690
your your thoughts are welcome give us a

827
00:34:42,270 --> 00:34:40,240
call 13 13 32 is the telephone number

828
00:34:44,310 --> 00:34:42,280
maybe you've got a story that Richard

829
00:34:46,349 --> 00:34:44,320
can explain I don't know how much time

830
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:46,359
he's got what times you what time's your

831
00:34:51,510 --> 00:34:49,690
conference start oh it's about a week

832
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:51,520
away actually you're just over the edge

833
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:53,530
of your over there doing a reccy are you

834
00:34:57,570 --> 00:34:55,810
undoing a record getting over jet lag

835
00:35:00,150 --> 00:34:57,580
and actually the conference is run by

836
00:35:01,710 --> 00:35:00,160
James Randi and it's in Las Vegas next

837
00:35:03,450 --> 00:35:01,720
week all right okay hang all your stay

838
00:35:05,609 --> 00:35:03,460
there let me do let me get rid of some

839
00:35:08,339 --> 00:35:05,619
commitments and then we'll come back 13

840
00:35:10,470 --> 00:35:08,349
13 32 if you'd like to be part of this

841
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:10,480
conversation in 1332 Richard Saunders

842
00:35:14,730 --> 00:35:13,090
from Australian skeptics aspho me all

843
00:35:16,380 --> 00:35:14,740
the way from San Francisco listening to

844
00:35:19,500 --> 00:35:16,390
the program nice to know that someone's

845
00:35:21,060 --> 00:35:19,510
listening Richard oh I'm sure I must be

846
00:35:23,430 --> 00:35:21,070
one of countless thousands hey listen

847
00:35:27,210 --> 00:35:23,440
Richard I'm the board starting to go off

848
00:35:29,849 --> 00:35:27,220
you I'm happy to wait till after the

849
00:35:31,620 --> 00:35:29,859
news and take some calls I can do my

850
00:35:33,930 --> 00:35:31,630
best i can do my best to answer

851
00:35:35,910 --> 00:35:33,940
questions it's bear in mind it's hard

852
00:35:37,770 --> 00:35:35,920
for me it's almost impossible for me to

853
00:35:39,810 --> 00:35:37,780
hear a story about someone will say are

854
00:35:41,910 --> 00:35:39,820
they saw the UFO or their psychic

855
00:35:43,890 --> 00:35:41,920
problem is that and and really comment

856
00:35:45,900 --> 00:35:43,900
though because i wasn't there yeah i

857
00:35:48,930 --> 00:35:45,910
know but you can but like james randi

858
00:35:50,460 --> 00:35:48,940
maybe you can explain how did you see

859
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:50,470
that classic piece of television when

860
00:35:55,170 --> 00:35:52,810
James Randi was on Don Lane talking

861
00:35:57,240 --> 00:35:55,180
about Doris Stokes I saw it live and

862
00:35:59,760 --> 00:35:57,250
I've seen it many many many I saw it

863
00:36:01,530 --> 00:35:59,770
live too yeah I when I'm at the

864
00:36:03,599 --> 00:36:01,540
conference next week of james randi i'll

865
00:36:06,030 --> 00:36:03,609
be playing that for the audience that

866
00:36:08,310 --> 00:36:06,040
clip it so famous it was another such

867
00:36:11,670 --> 00:36:08,320
poor form of dawn because he invited him

868
00:36:14,430 --> 00:36:11,680
on yeah and james randi loves her till

869
00:36:18,270 --> 00:36:14,440
the back story behind that Jo we're done

870
00:36:21,060 --> 00:36:18,280
mine tried to trick Brandi did you know

871
00:36:22,620 --> 00:36:21,070
to catch him out and Don wasn't very

872
00:36:24,450 --> 00:36:22,630
happy with Randy at all in that

873
00:36:27,089 --> 00:36:24,460
situation you know what head is how did

874
00:36:28,890 --> 00:36:27,099
he try and trick him out well he invited

875
00:36:31,470 --> 00:36:28,900
here on this is according to james randi

876
00:36:33,990 --> 00:36:31,480
of course he'd done in by the journey on

877
00:36:37,230 --> 00:36:34,000
the show to talk about these matters and

878
00:36:38,190 --> 00:36:37,240
now James Randi like like I do I I love

879
00:36:40,410 --> 00:36:38,200
to bend spoons

880
00:36:41,970 --> 00:36:40,420
a great trick in fact I've been a spoon

881
00:36:44,579 --> 00:36:41,980
to you many years ago on a radio station

882
00:36:46,620 --> 00:36:44,589
I seem to remember you came in that's

883
00:36:47,910 --> 00:36:46,630
what we're worried another radio station

884
00:36:50,250 --> 00:36:47,920
just right here came in you bend a spoon

885
00:36:54,030 --> 00:36:50,260
right in front of me that's right and

886
00:36:56,010 --> 00:36:54,040
and you know it that looks like I could

887
00:36:57,569 --> 00:36:56,020
have said to you if I came in as Richard

888
00:36:58,950 --> 00:36:57,579
Saunders the great psychic can bend the

889
00:37:00,720 --> 00:36:58,960
spoon you might have walking been

890
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:00,730
running away scratching your head but I

891
00:37:03,210 --> 00:37:02,170
made it clear to you was a trick I

892
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:03,220
didn't tell you how the trick was done

893
00:37:08,579 --> 00:37:06,490
anyway they gone lines had come on the

894
00:37:09,839 --> 00:37:08,589
show James Randi and been some spoons

895
00:37:11,250 --> 00:37:09,849
did this and randy said look I don't

896
00:37:13,620 --> 00:37:11,260
want to do that magic I'd rather just

897
00:37:15,329 --> 00:37:13,630
talk about this thing and when as soon

898
00:37:18,210 --> 00:37:15,339
as Randy got on the show there with the

899
00:37:21,089 --> 00:37:18,220
spoon so darlin was trying to put Randy

900
00:37:23,490 --> 00:37:21,099
on the spot in that situation yeah all

901
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:23,500
right look I'm gonna I like to have an

902
00:37:28,470 --> 00:37:26,530
open mind I never say never I mean here

903
00:37:29,819 --> 00:37:28,480
we are it's four minutes to three

904
00:37:31,500 --> 00:37:29,829
o'clock all around Australia we're

905
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:31,510
broadcasting to a we're probably going

906
00:37:38,339 --> 00:37:33,970
to get a few funny calls but I mean you

907
00:37:40,829 --> 00:37:38,349
know can somebody speak to dead people

908
00:37:45,089 --> 00:37:40,839
is there a spirit world that you can tap

909
00:37:47,940 --> 00:37:45,099
into and and you say Richard that know

910
00:37:49,079 --> 00:37:47,950
that it's a saying definitely not or it

911
00:37:51,569 --> 00:37:49,089
hasn't been proven to your satisfaction

912
00:37:55,589 --> 00:37:51,579
Oh haven't been proven by satisfaction I

913
00:37:57,809 --> 00:37:55,599
would probably say most absolutely most

914
00:37:59,370 --> 00:37:57,819
certainly probably not I can't feel

915
00:38:00,630 --> 00:37:59,380
recently really believe all right well

916
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:00,640
if you've got a story you'd like to

917
00:38:04,290 --> 00:38:02,530
convince Richard or maybe he can explain

918
00:38:06,599 --> 00:38:04,300
how it was done give us a call now

919
00:38:08,099 --> 00:38:06,609
thirteen thirteen thirty-two Richard

920
00:38:09,930 --> 00:38:08,109
Saunders from Australian skeptics as

921
00:38:11,790 --> 00:38:09,940
foamy all the way from San Francisco we

922
00:38:14,460 --> 00:38:11,800
will take a break news is next and we'll

923
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:14,470
come back with your calls last hour we

924
00:38:20,220 --> 00:38:16,690
were talking about the scathing article

925
00:38:21,990 --> 00:38:20,230
that Fairfax journalists columnist Peter

926
00:38:25,170 --> 00:38:22,000
fit Simon's filed in his Sunday paper

927
00:38:26,550 --> 00:38:25,180
talking about John Edward who is coming

928
00:38:28,079 --> 00:38:26,560
to australia in November and he's done

929
00:38:32,790 --> 00:38:28,089
the promotional tour and he's spoken on

930
00:38:35,430 --> 00:38:32,800
this radio station I know um and you

931
00:38:36,839 --> 00:38:35,440
know he just if you watch his crossing

932
00:38:38,700 --> 00:38:36,849
over program doesn't know what he has to

933
00:38:40,950 --> 00:38:38,710
say when you either believe

934
00:38:43,140 --> 00:38:40,960
wholeheartedly that he can talk to dead

935
00:38:44,490 --> 00:38:43,150
people and can tune into one of your

936
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:44,500
dead relatives and tell you how they're

937
00:38:47,790 --> 00:38:46,450
going as Pete if it's simon says you

938
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:47,800
know he says that he can talk to dead

939
00:38:53,500 --> 00:38:50,450
people and and

940
00:38:55,569 --> 00:38:53,510
um he can give you the lowdown on how

941
00:38:58,839 --> 00:38:55,579
your dead ones are doing and invariably

942
00:39:02,380 --> 00:38:58,849
they're doing pretty well listening to

943
00:39:04,300 --> 00:39:02,390
my conversation my editorial all the way

944
00:39:06,370 --> 00:39:04,310
from San Francisco's Richard Saunders

945
00:39:08,349 --> 00:39:06,380
who was with the australian skeptics and

946
00:39:09,370 --> 00:39:08,359
he's that phone through to the program

947
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:09,380
and been good enough to give us some

948
00:39:14,589 --> 00:39:11,810
time this morning Richard welcome back

949
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:14,599
along it's good he's there welcome back

950
00:39:18,490 --> 00:39:16,490
thanks for waiting on and you said that

951
00:39:20,140 --> 00:39:18,500
you were happy to to take a couple of

952
00:39:22,390 --> 00:39:20,150
calls and try and explain how these

953
00:39:25,540 --> 00:39:22,400
people do these things now we mentioned

954
00:39:29,310 --> 00:39:25,550
that movie leap of faith yeah now in

955
00:39:31,990 --> 00:39:29,320
that movie Steve Martin plays a preacher

956
00:39:34,599 --> 00:39:32,000
we just got a Pentecostal preacher what

957
00:39:36,790 --> 00:39:34,609
would you call him Oh an evangelistic

958
00:39:41,890 --> 00:39:36,800
yeah it's sort of evangelistic

959
00:39:43,690 --> 00:39:41,900
charismatic so so time still impose song

960
00:39:45,730 --> 00:39:43,700
and dance giving people's emotions

961
00:39:48,730 --> 00:39:45,740
whipped up giving them carried away

962
00:39:51,130 --> 00:39:48,740
little bit of hysteria um yeah something

963
00:39:53,170 --> 00:39:51,140
I got ya yeah and he visits small towns

964
00:39:55,390 --> 00:39:53,180
towns of the struggling takes money of

965
00:39:59,710 --> 00:39:55,400
people and he claims he can cure them

966
00:40:01,390 --> 00:39:59,720
make them walk yeah you know that do all

967
00:40:04,329 --> 00:40:01,400
that sort of thing and basically it's a

968
00:40:06,849 --> 00:40:04,339
show and we see that because he has a

969
00:40:09,849 --> 00:40:06,859
team of staff going into the audience

970
00:40:13,750 --> 00:40:09,859
and they already know a lot about the

971
00:40:15,430 --> 00:40:13,760
the the so-called victims here he has an

972
00:40:17,770 --> 00:40:15,440
earpiece he has somebody in a van with

973
00:40:20,980 --> 00:40:17,780
the within a sound van talking to him

974
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:20,990
and that sort of thing really happens it

975
00:40:26,710 --> 00:40:24,170
really happens well I'll say that it

976
00:40:31,050 --> 00:40:26,720
really happened those stories were based

977
00:40:32,890 --> 00:40:31,060
on real events at james randi exposed I

978
00:40:34,990 --> 00:40:32,900
dealers have learned something from

979
00:40:36,670 --> 00:40:35,000
James Randi over the years and they've

980
00:40:39,339 --> 00:40:36,680
learned but they don't have to do so

981
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:39,349
much rely on tricks in order to convince

982
00:40:43,240 --> 00:40:40,970
people that they're really in contact

983
00:40:45,550 --> 00:40:43,250
with supernatural forces or the healing

984
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:45,560
them they've discovered that people will

985
00:40:49,750 --> 00:40:47,930
simply believe that anyway and they

986
00:40:52,630 --> 00:40:49,760
don't have to rely on so many tricks

987
00:40:54,510 --> 00:40:52,640
people can just roll up I mean a lot of

988
00:40:59,260 --> 00:40:54,520
people have got very good hearts and a

989
00:41:01,390 --> 00:40:59,270
very entrusting in their religion and

990
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:01,400
they'll turn up believing with their you

991
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:03,050
know communicating with their there

992
00:41:05,620 --> 00:41:03,890
certain God

993
00:41:09,099 --> 00:41:05,630
whatever it may be and these are nice

994
00:41:10,599 --> 00:41:09,109
decent people uh and the people who take

995
00:41:12,460 --> 00:41:10,609
advantage of people like that have a

996
00:41:14,710 --> 00:41:12,470
different moral compass to you and I

997
00:41:17,319 --> 00:41:14,720
they really do and a really good point

998
00:41:19,029 --> 00:41:17,329
in the movie is when the sheriff who it

999
00:41:20,529 --> 00:41:19,039
really doesn't want this bloke in town

1000
00:41:22,059 --> 00:41:20,539
because he's concerned genuinely

1001
00:41:23,710 --> 00:41:22,069
concerned for the welfare of the town's

1002
00:41:25,870 --> 00:41:23,720
folk who were doing a tough in the

1003
00:41:28,299 --> 00:41:25,880
middle of a drought and he gets the dirt

1004
00:41:30,579 --> 00:41:28,309
on Steve Martin's character and he

1005
00:41:33,009 --> 00:41:30,589
interrupts the service and he reads out

1006
00:41:35,589 --> 00:41:33,019
his his you know his rap sheet yeah

1007
00:41:36,940 --> 00:41:35,599
grand or a Grand Theft Auto at an early

1008
00:41:38,769 --> 00:41:36,950
age and it just goes on and on and on

1009
00:41:41,049 --> 00:41:38,779
and on and Steve Martin turns around

1010
00:41:44,500 --> 00:41:41,059
says yeah that's true I was a sinner and

1011
00:41:46,420 --> 00:41:44,510
now I have seen the way you know and the

1012
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:46,430
head and the crew and the crown London

1013
00:41:51,519 --> 00:41:49,490
yeah yeah but its hands of these people

1014
00:41:53,410 --> 00:41:51,529
that put a foot wrong and you wouldn't

1015
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:53,420
believe it the guy that rarely exposed

1016
00:41:58,240 --> 00:41:55,970
many years ago his name was peter Popoff

1017
00:42:00,640 --> 00:41:58,250
he had the earpiece he was getting

1018
00:42:04,839 --> 00:42:00,650
information from his wife backstage via

1019
00:42:06,670 --> 00:42:04,849
the radio transmissions ah Randy put him

1020
00:42:08,589 --> 00:42:06,680
out of business effectively only for a

1021
00:42:11,109 --> 00:42:08,599
while peter Popoff is back and still

1022
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:11,119
making millions of dollars it's it's

1023
00:42:15,339 --> 00:42:13,490
frustrating but it's ugly people just

1024
00:42:16,690 --> 00:42:15,349
keep on believing it is it is

1025
00:42:19,089 --> 00:42:16,700
unbelievable some people are gullible

1026
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:19,099
but some people believe and I don't know

1027
00:42:22,720 --> 00:42:21,170
who am I to take there who are we to

1028
00:42:25,390 --> 00:42:22,730
take their dreams away Richard Saunders

1029
00:42:28,690 --> 00:42:25,400
is with me andrew is online and ruin a

1030
00:42:30,370 --> 00:42:28,700
good evening how are you I'm good Andrew

1031
00:42:32,380 --> 00:42:30,380
all good morning actually a good morning

1032
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:32,390
you wanted to talk to Richard yeah i

1033
00:42:38,499 --> 00:42:34,930
just wanted to state the obvious the

1034
00:42:42,099 --> 00:42:38,509
psychics know everything what are their

1035
00:42:43,900 --> 00:42:42,109
advertising have web tychon edwards it's

1036
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:43,910
in the paper surely they've already

1037
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:49,130
looked out the letter numbers that is

1038
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:50,690
they don't they know the winner at

1039
00:42:55,359 --> 00:42:53,210
Moonee Valley yeah unless all the

1040
00:42:58,569 --> 00:42:55,369
Melbourne Cup I could kill you right now

1041
00:43:02,019 --> 00:42:58,579
he's gonna win it yeah it's gonna be a

1042
00:43:04,240 --> 00:43:02,029
big brown horse oh wow you're good I'm

1043
00:43:07,299 --> 00:43:04,250
very and very good man drew you're on

1044
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:07,309
fire Andrew Andrew let me give you the

1045
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:08,930
answer that they always give me when I

1046
00:43:12,819 --> 00:43:10,490
put the similar question to them they'll

1047
00:43:15,670 --> 00:43:12,829
say you don't understand it doesn't work

1048
00:43:17,870 --> 00:43:15,680
like that and that's all they need say

1049
00:43:21,470 --> 00:43:17,880
it's all they need say inside

1050
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:21,480
beginner jail free card for them of

1051
00:43:25,450 --> 00:43:22,770
course they don't come up with a lotto

1052
00:43:27,770 --> 00:43:25,460
numbers of these they should shouldn't

1053
00:43:30,140 --> 00:43:27,780
well not just a lot of numbers i mean

1054
00:43:32,770 --> 00:43:30,150
everything if you are psychic as I my

1055
00:43:35,810 --> 00:43:32,780
first question would be is where's mh370

1056
00:43:37,370 --> 00:43:35,820
it's a good good point absolutely good

1057
00:43:39,140 --> 00:43:37,380
point and there's a lot of psychic well

1058
00:43:40,940 --> 00:43:39,150
so-called psychics out there posting on

1059
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:40,950
website saying I we think it's here we

1060
00:43:45,380 --> 00:43:42,330
think it's there we think it's they

1061
00:43:48,410 --> 00:43:45,390
don't know Jim from Kansas online can I

1062
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:48,420
gym good morning I oh well I'm good how

1063
00:43:55,910 --> 00:43:53,850
are you Richard hello can you hear me

1064
00:43:57,890 --> 00:43:55,920
right yeah I can hear you loud and clear

1065
00:43:59,870 --> 00:43:57,900
all the way from San Francisco good

1066
00:44:01,790 --> 00:43:59,880
person Richard I want to talk to you

1067
00:44:03,890 --> 00:44:01,800
about a near-death experience that a

1068
00:44:07,370 --> 00:44:03,900
young feller I went to school with many

1069
00:44:09,470 --> 00:44:07,380
years ago head yeah I was back in the

1070
00:44:11,570 --> 00:44:09,480
late 70s that we were hired we were

1071
00:44:13,340 --> 00:44:11,580
dissecting some rats and this young

1072
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:13,350
fella happened to look into the garbage

1073
00:44:18,260 --> 00:44:16,050
game for and these desires rats and so

1074
00:44:21,220 --> 00:44:18,270
forward in collecting that we had to

1075
00:44:28,610 --> 00:44:21,230
drag him out remember anything Bella

1076
00:44:31,250 --> 00:44:28,620
good god that was me ah Jim he went to

1077
00:44:33,500 --> 00:44:31,260
school was Richard did you I did I did

1078
00:44:38,150 --> 00:44:33,510
Giants better from where I vicodin left

1079
00:44:42,260 --> 00:44:38,160
the right 70 that was actually 1983-84

1080
00:44:44,660 --> 00:44:42,270
but you're close veterinary yeah we were

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doing an experiment on rats and I don't

1082
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:46,080
know if they still do that to poor old

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rats but at the time and when we were

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00:44:54,980 --> 00:44:50,790
sent back to get some and yeah I was a

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00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:54,990
little over come and face forward into

1086
00:44:59,870 --> 00:44:56,490
the Buddha's I remember we had to drag

1087
00:45:02,390 --> 00:44:59,880
you area for lab and I woke up going

1088
00:45:08,210 --> 00:45:02,400
what the hell's going on exactly exactly

1089
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:08,220
I don't quite remember dying but it's on

1090
00:45:12,010 --> 00:45:10,290
par so modest young boys do to go I

1091
00:45:16,910 --> 00:45:12,020
shake you at the time I think that's a

1092
00:45:19,010 --> 00:45:16,920
pretty powerful piece you again in there

1093
00:45:20,810 --> 00:45:19,020
good to see you doing well thank you

1094
00:45:22,670 --> 00:45:20,820
very much mate those were those were

1095
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:22,680
it's a long time ago but there you go i

1096
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:24,210
wonder what happened to those poor old

1097
00:45:29,540 --> 00:45:26,330
rights i don't remember

1098
00:45:33,589 --> 00:45:29,550
can I get on your jazz Kansas morning

1099
00:45:36,020 --> 00:45:33,599
Jim lovely about 14 degrees is it that's

1100
00:45:37,790 --> 00:45:36,030
beautiful yeah your overnight low was 18

1101
00:45:39,650 --> 00:45:37,800
expected to be 18 so it should be warmer

1102
00:45:40,580 --> 00:45:39,660
than that well probably has been a

1103
00:45:42,589 --> 00:45:40,590
little bit of right i would actually

1104
00:45:44,660 --> 00:45:42,599
checked the temperature gotta jump wrong

1105
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:44,670
with it gets cold but yeah you think

1106
00:45:48,109 --> 00:45:46,890
it's cold I think I tell you think 18

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00:45:50,060 --> 00:45:48,119
degrees is called you're getting up to

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00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:50,070
25 today get on your Jim thanks for the

1109
00:45:55,250 --> 00:45:51,930
call that was actually look back that

1110
00:45:58,460 --> 00:45:55,260
was good fun Richard 13 13 32 Richard if

1111
00:46:00,470 --> 00:45:58,470
somebody gets a reading from a psychic

1112
00:46:02,630 --> 00:46:00,480
yeah and there are plenty of people

1113
00:46:04,010 --> 00:46:02,640
listening who you know are probably

1114
00:46:06,740 --> 00:46:04,020
planning on doing it than in the

1115
00:46:09,140 --> 00:46:06,750
not-too-distant future other people yeah

1116
00:46:11,720 --> 00:46:09,150
you know have a regular person that they

1117
00:46:14,990 --> 00:46:11,730
go to for reassurance i suppose that and

1118
00:46:18,260 --> 00:46:15,000
the most common questions are money love

1119
00:46:20,300 --> 00:46:18,270
and work aren't they yeah health money

1120
00:46:25,070 --> 00:46:20,310
I've worked that sort of things if

1121
00:46:28,099 --> 00:46:25,080
people want tips always record your

1122
00:46:29,930 --> 00:46:28,109
psychic reading take a little mp3

1123
00:46:31,970 --> 00:46:29,940
recorder or whatever that you may have

1124
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:31,980
your your phone off and records things

1125
00:46:38,630 --> 00:46:34,050
these days yes another tip is don't

1126
00:46:40,220 --> 00:46:38,640
answer questions if a psychic is asking

1127
00:46:41,930 --> 00:46:40,230
you questions all I can ask you a

1128
00:46:43,790 --> 00:46:41,940
question Damien anybody down the street

1129
00:46:45,530 --> 00:46:43,800
can ask your questions the whole idea

1130
00:46:47,930 --> 00:46:45,540
about the psychic is they should be able

1131
00:46:50,450 --> 00:46:47,940
to glean knowledge using mystical powers

1132
00:46:53,750 --> 00:46:50,460
and not have to ask you and the other

1133
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:53,760
things ask them questions if you're

1134
00:46:58,400 --> 00:46:55,290
going for a psychic reading turn up and

1135
00:47:01,339 --> 00:46:58,410
say oh here's a question for you what

1136
00:47:03,020 --> 00:47:01,349
was I doing in high school in 1983 or

1137
00:47:05,089 --> 00:47:03,030
something like that and see if they can

1138
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:05,099
answer your questions to your

1139
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:07,770
satisfaction but the it's amazing how

1140
00:47:11,810 --> 00:47:10,650
many people will forget after it really

1141
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:11,820
happened and when they hear their

1142
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:12,930
recording back they're often quite

1143
00:47:18,380 --> 00:47:15,570
shocked is how many times the psychic

1144
00:47:20,540 --> 00:47:18,390
simply asked them people for the

1145
00:47:24,050 --> 00:47:20,550
information it's it's it's gobsmacking

1146
00:47:26,210 --> 00:47:24,060
that they're my tips so the psychic will

1147
00:47:28,700 --> 00:47:26,220
ask you questions about yourself and you

1148
00:47:30,470 --> 00:47:28,710
sort of end up telling them absolutely

1149
00:47:32,300 --> 00:47:30,480
and in that and then they'll say okay

1150
00:47:33,530 --> 00:47:32,310
for example let's say you're trying to

1151
00:47:35,839 --> 00:47:33,540
get in touch with your father who's

1152
00:47:38,390 --> 00:47:35,849
passed away and the psychic will say

1153
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:38,400
your father was a was a loving person

1154
00:47:40,630 --> 00:47:39,530
you had a very good

1155
00:47:42,700 --> 00:47:40,640
relationship with your father well I

1156
00:47:44,290 --> 00:47:42,710
suppose if you wanted to know about your

1157
00:47:46,150 --> 00:47:44,300
father and you were grieving especially

1158
00:47:47,740 --> 00:47:46,160
years after he passed away it's pretty

1159
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:47,750
obvious you were close to your father

1160
00:47:52,150 --> 00:47:50,210
yeah but it's interesting what they'll

1161
00:47:54,550 --> 00:47:52,160
often do so I'll catch it in terms I got

1162
00:47:56,020 --> 00:47:54,560
you if you're something on the other

1163
00:47:58,300 --> 00:47:56,030
side of the table they say I'm getting

1164
00:47:59,890 --> 00:47:58,310
an energy coming through to me they're

1165
00:48:01,990 --> 00:47:59,900
telling me it's a bit unclear they're

1166
00:48:04,180 --> 00:48:02,000
telling me it's a father figure it's a

1167
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:04,190
father figure can you relate to that and

1168
00:48:09,130 --> 00:48:06,170
you might say yes my father passed away

1169
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:09,140
later on when you're retelling the the

1170
00:48:13,990 --> 00:48:11,450
reading you'll say oh Richard Saunders i

1171
00:48:16,330 --> 00:48:14,000
went for reading here and he knew my

1172
00:48:18,070 --> 00:48:16,340
father passed away you see that where

1173
00:48:20,740 --> 00:48:18,080
isn't a matter of fact you told me the

1174
00:48:22,030 --> 00:48:20,750
information yeah and then if it wasn't

1175
00:48:23,830 --> 00:48:22,040
your father it could have been an uncle

1176
00:48:26,980 --> 00:48:23,840
who could be then described as a father

1177
00:48:28,690 --> 00:48:26,990
figure yes an uncle a good friend and

1178
00:48:32,590 --> 00:48:28,700
all the relative all of those can come

1179
00:48:34,720 --> 00:48:32,600
into the sphere of father figure and

1180
00:48:36,340 --> 00:48:34,730
then there are so many ways that people

1181
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:36,350
can ask questions like that the ditches

1182
00:48:41,110 --> 00:48:39,650
it's a fascinating topic of study yeah

1183
00:48:42,070 --> 00:48:41,120
it is interesting look good on your

1184
00:48:43,570 --> 00:48:42,080
Richard you've been very very

1185
00:48:45,310 --> 00:48:43,580
interesting i'll talk to you again we'll

1186
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:45,320
catch up again soon and maybe you can

1187
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:47,090
come into the studio one morning and

1188
00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:49,490
been some spoons for me my pleasure and

1189
00:48:54,430 --> 00:48:52,250
just before I go and the famous just

1190
00:48:56,730 --> 00:48:54,440
before I go the Australian skeptics have

1191
00:48:59,110 --> 00:48:56,740
a major convention in sydney in november

1192
00:49:00,640 --> 00:48:59,120
when flying people from all around the

1193
00:49:02,700 --> 00:49:00,650
world we have a hundred-thousand-dollar

1194
00:49:05,620 --> 00:49:02,710
challenge the first psychic who can

1195
00:49:09,790 --> 00:49:05,630
prove their jobs and people can find out

1196
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:09,800
more at skeptics com au so you will pay

1197
00:49:16,570 --> 00:49:13,490
a hundred thousand dollars yeah all they

1198
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:16,580
have to do is is prove their claim if

1199
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:18,770
they say they can talk to the dead will

1200
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:20,410
sit down with them and come up with a

1201
00:49:24,970 --> 00:49:22,970
mutually agreed test where they can show

1202
00:49:26,470 --> 00:49:24,980
us and the world nor firmly that they

1203
00:49:29,140 --> 00:49:26,480
can talk to the dead if they say they

1204
00:49:32,170 --> 00:49:29,150
can do water divining rewarded dowsing

1205
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:32,180
will will let them show us how they can

1206
00:49:36,670 --> 00:49:34,370
do it and if they can do that to the

1207
00:49:39,310 --> 00:49:36,680
satisfaction of not us with a mutually

1208
00:49:41,170 --> 00:49:39,320
agreed independent umpire under a fair

1209
00:49:43,090 --> 00:49:41,180
test demo they get a hundred thousand

1210
00:49:46,270 --> 00:49:43,100
dollars so why doesn't join everybody

1211
00:49:48,850 --> 00:49:46,280
line up [\h__\h] makes more money doing the

1212
00:49:51,340 --> 00:49:48,860
circle as easy as it is alright this is

1213
00:49:53,050 --> 00:49:51,350
absolutely economically there's no point

1214
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:53,060
them to do it good

1215
00:49:56,380 --> 00:49:55,010
dr. Richard thanks for that Thank oh

1216
00:49:58,330 --> 00:49:56,390
thanks for your call Richard Saunders

1217
00:50:00,160 --> 00:49:58,340
from the Australian skeptics Association

1218
00:50:02,650 --> 00:50:00,170
phoning him from San Francisco let's

1219
00:50:04,570 --> 00:50:02,660
listening to us online and I appreciate

1220
00:50:08,380 --> 00:50:04,580
his time I've gotta tell you though this

1221
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:08,390
woman I spoke to in Canberra was very

1222
00:50:23,260 --> 00:50:11,890
impressive she knocked me for six so

1223
00:50:25,240 --> 00:50:23,270
i'll keep my mind open i think hey guys

1224
00:50:27,420 --> 00:50:25,250
this is jay from the skeptics guide to

1225
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:27,430
the universe ER well hold on whoa

1226
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:29,570
everybody knows I'm the only reason to

1227
00:50:32,830 --> 00:50:31,370
listen to the Freak Show right I mean it

1228
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:32,840
was up to me the show would start with

1229
00:50:41,350 --> 00:50:39,410
this yeah boy well Rebecca would hate

1230
00:50:42,940 --> 00:50:41,360
that probably but I mean I'd rock that

1231
00:50:44,590 --> 00:50:42,950
listen to our show and you can learn

1232
00:50:46,060 --> 00:50:44,600
about cool stuff like a technological

1233
00:50:47,890 --> 00:50:46,070
singularity which is someday when

1234
00:50:48,820 --> 00:50:47,900
technology progresses so fast that it

1235
00:50:51,010 --> 00:50:48,830
would make the Industrial Revolution

1236
00:50:54,550 --> 00:50:51,020
look like a kid science project anyway

1237
00:51:12,490 --> 00:50:54,560
come check us out at WWDC epic sky org

1238
00:51:17,359 --> 00:51:15,109
thank you for listening to the skeptic

1239
00:51:18,980 --> 00:51:17,369
zone well I'm looking around the room

1240
00:51:20,720 --> 00:51:18,990
now thinking what shall I pack what

1241
00:51:22,789 --> 00:51:20,730
should I take to the amazing meeting in

1242
00:51:25,670 --> 00:51:22,799
Las Vegas i'll be flying out in a few

1243
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:25,680
days o las vegas this time of the year

1244
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:28,170
folks in fact I've been going there now

1245
00:51:33,620 --> 00:51:31,170
for over seven years or something it's

1246
00:51:35,240 --> 00:51:33,630
like walking into a microwave oven ruff

1247
00:51:36,559 --> 00:51:35,250
I don't know how people live there all

1248
00:51:38,720 --> 00:51:36,569
year I guess they just live in the air

1249
00:51:41,089 --> 00:51:38,730
conditioning but the amazing meeting

1250
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:41,099
will be the time I officially launch the

1251
00:51:46,279 --> 00:51:43,970
vaccination chronicles our documentary

1252
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:46,289
and after that I'll be letting everybody

1253
00:51:51,710 --> 00:51:48,450
know the URL where you can check it out

1254
00:51:53,990 --> 00:51:51,720
for yourself it runs at exactly 27

1255
00:51:56,539 --> 00:51:54,000
minutes it's been an interesting job

1256
00:52:00,170 --> 00:51:56,549
making something fit exactly into 27

1257
00:52:02,059 --> 00:52:00,180
minutes to the frame editing here and

1258
00:52:05,059 --> 00:52:02,069
they're expanding this bit cutting this

1259
00:52:07,910 --> 00:52:05,069
bit and ordering that bit but that's all

1260
00:52:09,559 --> 00:52:07,920
part of documentary making and of course

1261
00:52:10,849 --> 00:52:09,569
the amazing meaning is only a warm up to

1262
00:52:13,940 --> 00:52:10,859
the Australian skeptics national

1263
00:52:15,740 --> 00:52:13,950
convention in sydney in november where

1264
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:15,750
the skeptics guide to the universe will

1265
00:52:20,269 --> 00:52:18,450
be there and George Rev Dr Ritchie and

1266
00:52:23,390 --> 00:52:20,279
lots of lots of people we're still

1267
00:52:25,849 --> 00:52:23,400
finalizing a lot of that it's still many

1268
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:25,859
months away of course but it's never too

1269
00:52:29,240 --> 00:52:27,690
early to buy your ticket especially now

1270
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:29,250
since the prices have fallen

1271
00:52:32,630 --> 00:52:31,410
considerably and we've got concession

1272
00:52:36,970 --> 00:52:32,640
tickets available and things like that

1273
00:52:40,849 --> 00:52:36,980
check it out wwc optics com today you or

1274
00:52:43,519 --> 00:52:40,859
variate convention dot skeptics com

1275
00:52:45,410 --> 00:52:43,529
don't I you either one will work but

1276
00:52:47,089 --> 00:52:45,420
until next week where the show will go

1277
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:47,099
out from the amazing meeting that will

1278
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:51,690
be shown number 2 99 wow this is Richard

1279
00:52:59,150 --> 00:52:53,490
Saunders signing off from the San

1280
00:53:06,540 --> 00:53:01,560
you've been listening to the skeptic

1281
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:06,550
zone visit her website at www skeptics